Okay… I can totally understand that some people do not like RenRuki, Renji, or whatever else… but can we please not try and say that Renji thought of or called Rukia a boy?
Please?
Because that’s simply not true.
I assume this is the panel in which people base their statement…
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Omg… I just noticed a key thing to the 40 year prior RenRuki split scene… thing…
Yanno how all RenRuki fans say that “Renji gave her up so she could have riches and be spoiled”??? And that he knew what he was doing and that she’d be upset and did it anyways??? And…
Oh god love
You aren’t obligated to respond to me (and I appreciate that you took the time to do so), but it felt like one of those moments where someone realizes they may have misunderstood someone and instead of saying “oh shit sorry ‘bout that” it just gets ignored.
I’m not interested in arguing with you either on this particular topic, so I hope you don’t consider this me being bitchy in return ‘cause I’m not interested in it. Though I can be bitchy, don’t mistake…
Hm. Okay. I don’t really see the point of replying to this, because whatever I say, you’re going to do what you’re going to do, and so am I. It won’t make the slightest bit of difference. But. You made a really long post and I’ll feel bad for not replying, so here goes.
You’re saying that some IHs say stupid things. True; they do. Can’t argue with you there. But let’s not pretend that IRs don’t say stupid things either. I mean, the number of times I’ve heard people mention Ichigo seeing Rukia’s arse as a reason toward them being canon. Yes. Seriously. And not just once, multiple times.
Every side has their stupid. The difference with the IH side is that we don’t go into the IR tag and actively look for the stupid as much as you guys love to do. Not saying that no one on the IH side does, but they’re far, far fewer in number.
You say you like taking part in lively debate. Debate is different to mockery. You do realise that, right? I see a lot more mockery by the IRs than debate.
And if you want to debate, find someone who also wants to debate. A lot of people - the sort that stick to the right tags - are the ones that don’t want to debate, and only feel harassed when you insistently reblog every post they make and try to ‘debunk’ it and tell them their arguments are idiotic and laughable. Some people just want to look at pretty manips and gifs and talk with like-minded people. They don’t want to have every single one of their pro-IH posts reblogged with ‘but Rukia stopped the rain!!!!11’ They just want to ship what they want to ship without having to visit the other side. I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about that.
And you’ll forgive IHs for not wanting to debate when every single thing they say - even if they post it in the correct tag! - gets mocked and ridiculed. Whether it’s an opinion or a simple observation, whether it’s ridiculous reasoning or perfectly legit, it gets mocked.
Let me tell you something, Silvia. I’m actually scared to make any pro-IH arguments, because I know no matter what, it will get taunted. Someone like so-unrequited or origo-waaambulance will either reblog it or screencap it and laugh at it and call us idiots (if they’re feeling generous) or delsuional fucktards if they’re not. And those things are pretty hurtful, so to stay away from that, I’d rather keep quiet about what I think.
That’s right. I’m actually scared to express an opinion.
That sums how I feel about some of your fandom. And I know plenty of others who feel the same way. I’ve had so many people messaging me about how they feel exactly the same way. Why, the original post you responded to talked about how the IR side make IHs feel dirty about what we say.
And why would anyone want to debate with you IRs when your debates include ridiculing and mocking the opposite side? You’d have to be pretty thick-skinned to do it, or not be aware (until after the fact) of how much you’ll get lampooned for having a simple opinion. Even if you yourself are nothing like the rudest of the IR shippers, you’ve got to accept that the perception of your fandom is such that people won’t want to debate with you either.
Even if a debate starts civilly, it can quickly disintegrate into a pretty vicious argument. And even if you’re being civil, people that can see and reblog these posts might not be. And as you know (because of what’s going on right now), really hurtful things can be said.
I can see that you’ve managed to find some people who do enjoy
arguingdebating. Stick toarguingdebating with them, and if you please, try and stay away from people would prefer to not get dragged into ship wars. There’s no rule saying you can’t, but a little consideration for other other people’s feelings never did anyone any harm did it?And as for your opinions on tags… I really can’t argue with that kind bleachod-esque reasoning. it’s actually beyond me.
And please note, before you mention that I’m acting like the IH fandom has never done anything wrong. I don’t deny that people from the IH side have said really hurtful things, or that there isn’t anyone on the IH side that doesn’t start arguments (but you’ll find they’re in a tiny minority; it’s actually the same few shippers that actually reblog or mock the IRs). Argue with them to your heart’s content, I’ll find it truly difficult to give a shit. It’s the others who just want to fangirl over their otp getting slammed for having a simple opinion that I have a problem with.
And okay I know I’m talking about the IR fandom at large, and not at you specifically. But I’m just trying to explain why I and the few people I’ve talked to about this (and I’m willing to bet a lot of the people I haven’t talked to as well) would feel disinclined from debating, when debating actually means arguing, deriding and being altogether disrespectful.
You aren’t obligated to respond to me (and I appreciate that you took the time to do so), but it felt like one of those moments where someone realizes they may have misunderstood someone and instead of saying “oh shit sorry ‘bout that” it just gets ignored.
I’m not interested in arguing with you either on this particular topic, so I hope you don’t consider this me being bitchy in return ‘cause I’m not interested in it. Though I can be bitchy, don’t mistake…
Hm. Okay. I don’t really see the point of replying to this, because whatever I say, you’re going to do what you’re going to do, and so am I. It won’t make the slightest bit of difference. But. You made a really long post and I’ll feel bad for not replying, so here goes.
You’re saying that some IHs say stupid things. True; they do. Can’t argue with you there. But let’s not pretend that IRs don’t say stupid things either. I mean, the number of times I’ve heard people mention Ichigo seeing Rukia’s arse as a reason toward them being canon. Yes. Seriously. And not just once, multiple times.
Every side has their stupid. The difference with the IH side is that we don’t go into the IR tag and actively look for the stupid as much as you guys love to do. Not saying that no one on the IH side does, but they’re far, far fewer in number.
You say you like taking part in lively debate. Debate is different to mockery. You do realise that, right? I see a lot more mockery by the IRs than debate.
And if you want to debate, find someone who also wants to debate. A lot of people - the sort that stick to the right tags - are the ones that don’t want to debate, and only feel harassed when you insistently reblog every post they make and try to ‘debunk’ it and tell them their arguments are idiotic and laughable. Some people just want to look at pretty manips and gifs and talk with like-minded people. They don’t want to have every single one of their pro-IH posts reblogged with ‘but Rukia stopped the rain!!!!11’ They just want to ship what they want to ship without having to visit the other side. I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about that.
And you’ll forgive IHs for not wanting to debate when every single thing they say - even if they post it in the correct tag! - gets mocked and ridiculed. Whether it’s an opinion or a simple observation, whether it’s ridiculous reasoning or perfectly legit, it gets mocked.
Let me tell you something, Silvia. I’m actually scared to make any pro-IH arguments, because I know no matter what, it will get taunted. Someone like so-unrequited or origo-waaambulance will either reblog it or screencap it and laugh at it and call us idiots (if they’re feeling generous) or delsuional fucktards if they’re not. And those things are pretty hurtful, so to stay away from that, I’d rather keep quiet about what I think.
That’s right. I’m actually scared to express an opinion.
That sums how I feel about some of your fandom. And I know plenty of others who feel the same way. I’ve had so many people messaging me about how they feel exactly the same way. Why, the original post you responded to talked about how the IR side make IHs feel dirty about what we say.
And why would anyone want to debate with you IRs when your debates include ridiculing and mocking the opposite side? You’d have to be pretty thick-skinned to do it, or not be aware (until after the fact) of how much you’ll get lampooned for having a simple opinion. Even if you yourself are nothing like the rudest of the IR shippers, you’ve got to accept that the perception of your fandom is such that people won’t want to debate with you either.
Even if a debate starts civilly, it can quickly disintegrate into a pretty vicious argument. And even if you’re being civil, people that can see and reblog these posts might not be. And as you know (because of what’s going on right now), really hurtful things can be said.
I can see that you’ve managed to find some people who do enjoy
arguingdebating. Stick toarguingdebating with them, and if you please, try and stay away from people would prefer to not get dragged into ship wars. There’s no rule saying you can’t, but a little consideration for other other people’s feelings never did anyone any harm did it?And as for your opinions on tags… I really can’t argue with that kind bleachod-esque reasoning. it’s actually beyond me.
And please note, before you mention that I’m acting like the IH fandom has never done anything wrong. I don’t deny that people from the IH side have said really hurtful things, or that there isn’t anyone on the IH side that doesn’t start arguments (but you’ll find they’re in a tiny minority; it’s actually the same few shippers that actually reblog or mock the IRs). Argue with them to your heart’s content, I’ll find it truly difficult to give a shit. It’s the others who just want to fangirl over their otp getting slammed for having a simple opinion that I have a problem with.
And okay I know I’m talking about the IR fandom at large, and not at you specifically. But I’m just trying to explain why I and the few people I’ve talked to about this (and I’m willing to bet a lot of the people I haven’t talked to as well) would feel disinclined from debating, when debating actually means arguing, deriding and being altogether disrespectful.
I’m just putting my head in here, but this is entirely why I’ve mostly given up on bleach fandom, particularly the IR side. The OMG IT’S A DEBATE excuse has always rung false, simply because a debate is not an unbridled mocking session where you call one side an idiot for expressing their opinion.
Remember that 9 page long “essay” mocking me for pointing out that IchiHimes are people too? lol yeah.
All of you guys are just…wow.
